chat log

hoa says:
how should i make the thorns of the cactus
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
?
modelling
in 3d
i presume
hoa says:
yeah
how do i model them
just make one then copy and paste
and rotate and resize them a bit
to make them not too similar
?
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
nope
u extrude
them out

You have just sent a nudge.

hoa says:
sorry
didnt mean to do that
oh
that does sound much smarter
extruding one by one?
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
yeah
definitely
or
they can be seperate geometry
just moved into position
depends on ur diesn
design
I would go for the seperate one
easier
hoa says:
i want them randomly all over
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
just place them urself
takes like 10 minutes
maybe 15
u sure u want to do 3d ?
what about stop motion ?
hoa says:
im very sure
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
cool
u know the style yet ?
u heard of pocoyo ?
hoa says:
nope
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
google it
hoa says:
oh
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
or youtube it
hoa says:
not my style
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
ok
u need to collect
references
for ur moodboard
as well as for the style that u want to do
heaps
hoa says:
i know
doing it now
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
ok
u will need to brush up on
your 3d skills
i tihnk working at this intern ship will help
hoa says:
only on animating
im not doing modelling
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
exactly
if u can animate
then u need to concern about
the other aspect of it
lighting
renderinf
texturing
hoa says:
when do you think everything should be done by
i mean ready to be animated
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
hmm..
by the term break
concept and story developement by week 3-4
and then the rest is just production
until end of term break
definitely
if u can
hoa says:
until end of term break?
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
yes
hoa says:
the next term?
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
end of week 8 of next semester
hoa says:
confusing
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
ok
next semester is 15 weeks right ?
hoa says:
yeah
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
in between is a 1 week term break
or study week as you call it
so u got to do the modelling/texturing/storyboarding
developement
before the break ends
and spend the rest of the 6 weeks or so
animating, rendering
compositing
hoa says:
ok cool
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
making music and sound
yes
so u need a head start
hoa says:
i need to plan really carefully this time
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
during the holidays
i.e now....
u need to do the pitch and proposal
the reference and research
as well as a storyboard
of how u want to
do the work
i mean the story
even if its rough
draw it down
its easier to work on the story
in storyboards
and discuss with chris
hoa says:
tomorrow is already the 13th
argh
time flies
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
draw ur boards using post ad notes
its easier to move stuff around
yup
13th
scary
u got 4 weeks
so shall we plan ur schedule for the next 4 weeks
for you ?
hoa says:
please
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
ok
how far are you away from a story
?
or a premise ?
hoa says:
i only have a rough idea
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
ok
hoa says:
got the characters down
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
good
style ?
hoa says:
cute but not too cartoony
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
ok
the background ?
is it going to be live action ?
hoa says:
whats that
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
have u considered that ?
i.e
the background is
photos
u just need to model the
cactus and ballon
the background is photograph
hoa says:
hmm
or i can model the bgr 1st
then render it out
use it as a photo
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
what I mean is
take a photo of a window sill
and use that as the background
then u will need to blend the 3d cactus to the
hoa says:
not quite what i have in mind
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
background
ok
hoa says:
but ill consider that if short of time
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
well
its a challenge
i thought u said u wanted to incooperate some
visual effects to it
or compositing
hm...
maybe u can even paint the background
rather then having to model it
might be easier
and showcase ur ability
hoa says:
i know but i dont want to ruin the mood of the animation
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
as an artist
ah
but u dont
hoa says:
actually
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
hmm..
hoa says:
what i really want is
to render everything out
then trace them
to give it a feel of
hmmm
hand drawn?
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
hmm...
hoa says:
maybe i can just do the cactus
then trace it and put it over a drawn bgr
but then the lighting would be difficult to do
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
yup
hoa says:
still
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
i think u should draw the background
hoa says:
i can add lighting when i trace them
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
or at least paint it
if u want a drawn or painterly look
u should draw the background
or digitally color it
hoa says:
but how do i make the 3d stuff blend in with the bgr
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
dun worry
it can be done
the textures that you use
can be painterly
after rendering
u can run it through a few filters in after effects
or photoshop to give it a painterly look
hoa says:
k
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
do u know aftereffects ?
hoa says:
not much but i can learn now
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
ok
hold on
so what u need to do now
write it down pls
storyboard out ur rough idea
tomorrow
hoa says:
i cant
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
why ?
hoa says:
i dont have a full story yet
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
its ok
hoa says:
incomplete layout
no camera angles
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
yes
great
hoa says:
how can i do a storyboard
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
because u got a rough idea
draw out this idea
in ur mind right now... u already got a seed for a story
a visual image of the idea
this happens, then that happens
then i am stuck here
but i know that after that, this happens
so the parts that u do not know,
leave it blank
or write on the post ad pad -> something happens here then the ballon
hoa says:
oh...
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
flys away
etc...
hoa says:
cool
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
so that u got a little storyboard to help you think
great
make sure to use post ad pad
to draw on
and also write on
once u got everything in front of you
its easier to think and visualise
right ?
and use it for discussion
there is a visual anchor
to relate to
hoa says:
yeah
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
ok
so u do that tomorrow ok ?
hoa says:
i tried to do a small mindmap today
on the cactus and the balloon
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
good
hoa says:
but i havent tried that on the story yet
im also thinking on
maybe the cactus will tell the balloon a lot of stories
but then i would have to do a lot of different scenes
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
dun limit urself yet
because that idea may lead u to other ideas
u nvr know
when u draw ur board
u also draw the possible alternatives and situation
so u can play around and arrange it in different order
to give u something that u might not have think of or considered
hoa says:
ok
ill do a rough storyboard tmr
then send to you and chris
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
no
before u send to chris
gather more reference and do more sketches
hoa says:
hmm
ok
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
different cactus design
different balloon design
have u considered the different shapes
example if the balloon is an animal shape
hoa says:
yeah
ive got 3 on my list now
plain
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
or tthe cactus looks like a shape of a cat
hoa says:
star shaped
heart shaped
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
for example
haha
hoa says:
dont wanna do animal shaped
too distracting
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
good
then at least cosider more shapes
hoa says:
and also i need a why for it
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
tall and thin
hoa says:
which i dont have
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
fat and stout
there u go
hoa says:
cool
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
if the cactus is fat and stout
hoa says:
ill do a page on this
yeah
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
it can reflect the personality
hoa says:
i actually wrote fat and stout
on my list
lol
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
of the cactus
great
then exaggrate it
not just round overall
some cactus have lumps
so u can even shape it in a like snowman shape
to give it character
branches for arm
etc...
when u think of the cactus
which person do u think of
hoa says:
nerdy boy
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
who is representitive of the personality
hoa says:
shy and lonely
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
find reference for that kinda of personality
that kind of character
michael ceras in juno ?
that is tall and lanky
hoa says:
thats too much
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
good
then u have an idea
explore
dun just sterotype
so draw different and experiment different shapes
for the cactus
is it going to have arms
short and stouty ones ?
or longer ones
different combination
of body shape and branches
u should have at least 10
to warm ur self up
hoa says:
ok
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
u are taking all this down right ?
same for the ballooon
then we will proceed witht he color tone and palette for the short
hoa says:
yeah
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
the style of the backgrounf
the color script
http://louromano.blogspot.com/2009/06/up-color-script.html
have a look
ur background can be like this
and this
http://www.area-56.de/
all these colors and images
should give u more insipration
as well as reflect the mood of how we want the auidence to feel or how the character feel
when u are drawing the storyboard
draw what u see in ur head
the camera that ur head use to frame that paricular shot
hoa says:
do you have anything on color to recommend me to read?
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
dun
not now
now just go with ur initial instinct
when u see the color script
look at the colors used
and ask urself what are u feeling
when u see that image
then u can use it
hoa says:
ok
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
color is subjective
but also it is natural
for you
cool ?
have a read of the sevencamels blogspot
the latest entry about framing
sorry i meant staging
its really easy to understand
and apply
most of it is instinctive
hoa says:
cool
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
and common sense
but we seldom think about it
hoa says:
he just posted up a new one
ive read the two posts on staging
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
awesome
when u draw ur board
its got to be like that
not side view like on a stage
unless intentional
OH
before anything else
set up a blogspot
to document
ur progress
ur ideas etc
so that i can see the images
hoa says:
im thinking about that
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
and so can chris
do it
hoa says:
ok
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
its easier for organisation
cool !
so the plan is
by tomorrow
u got a rough storyboard
then u start doing many many concept design for the characters
by the end of next week sat
u should have 10 differeent cactus designs
and 10 balloon design
the balloon will be tricky
because u need to show it as an object of desire
the classic lady in red
hoa says:
red should be basic and effective
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
so u will need to think of how to convey that acroos
camera angle and how u stage the shot
is also important
close up of the curve of the balloon
cut back to the cactus
cut back to another part of the balloon in slow mo
cut back to cactus camera slowly pulling into the cactus
haha
u get the point
as u design the cactus
ideas will go into ur head
write them down or even better
draw them dowm
cool ?
hoa says:
cool
so camera angles also should be instinctive?
or should i read more on this
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
nope
should be instinctive
for ur 1st board
always
we can change them later
hoa says:
ok
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
u got a good sense of it
can see from ur last animation
hoa says:
really
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
but apply what u learnt from the staging notes
or at least think about it
on top of the concept designs of the characters U will spend the whole of next week
coming up with different ideas for the theme
and the story
alternatives
Chris's strength is in story telling
so what u want to give him is also options and stuff to bounce ideas from
we will not lock down the story before the start of term
but should definitely have a theme or several possible alternatives that is considered and justified
so when u sit down with chris, he can guide you
as well as the staging of it
not much of a social life I am afriad
for you
hoa says:
not a problem
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
cool
hoa says:
ill be posting here
http://hoadanganimates.blogspot.com/
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
copy all these thought there
as well as your thoughts
so that people can see
and comment as well as yourself
a few weeks later, u will revisit ur thoughts and rememeber something
ok
the week after next
u will be doing color concepts for the background
and envornment
lots of little color scripts/color mood board
for the environment
as well as the images
that u will use
for reference
when u collect these references for locations
u will come up with ideas to the story
and will have more ideas bouncing off
to the style and feel of the animation
colors are very powerful enomtions
i mean contribution to ur emotions
so u will get ideas for the story when u see them
when u collect reference images
and look at the different concept images
once u get all these ?
then u can send to chris
cool
am i talking too much ?
hoa says:
no
very helpful
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
the http://www.area-56.de/ website have a lot of color concept
that is really nice
hoa says:
im looking at them now
dun care sky long ground long, only care got have it b4. says:
great
good inspiration
focus
on what choice of color h used
combined
to get a particular feeling
from you